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* Frequently Asked Questions about this list
The FAQ for this mailing list is located at:
* What is the Klingon language?
The Klingon language is the language of the Klingon Empire, of course.

The language that we recognize in this mailing list is laid out in

Marc Okrand's book _The Klingon Dictionary_ (Pocket Books, ISBN

0-671-74559-X, Approx. US$10). If you don't have a copy of this book,

we recommend strongly that you obtain one before posting to the

mailing list. This will help keep the list from being clogged with

simple vocabulary questions, and will allow you to follow the action

much more easily. If you can't find the book in book stores near you,

you can order a copy directly from Pocket Books by calling their mail

order number at (201) 767-5937, or from the KLI's (http://www.kli.org) 

merchant page.
This language was developed by Marc Okrand for the filming of ST:III

TSFS and has been used ever since whenever Klingon dialogue is called

for in the ST movies and (somewhat less faithfully) in ST:TNG.

* About the tlhIngan-Hol mailing list
The purpose of the tlhIngan-Hol mailing list is to provide a forum for

people to exercise their Klingon language skills. No additional

purpose is intended or implied. The topics discussed on the list are

essentially unbounded. In fact, the wider the range of discussions,

the better it will be for everyone trying to expand their skills.
The mailing list is not moderated. However, it will have one or more

"official grammarians" (pabpo'pu'), usually selected from those

speakers who have shown exceptional skill in the use of the Klingon

language. If you are not one of the official grammarians, please do

not post messages of the form: "Your grammar for this sentence was

wrong. It should have been...". Of course, questions and discussions

about grammar or the best usage for a given phrase are welcome from

anyone. Just leave correcting other people's missives to the

grammarians. Adherence to this policy will preclude endless chains of

replies of the form "you should have said..." and will probably remove

grammar flames as well. The grammarians will correct bad grammar

publicly, not to cause anyone shame, but to make sure that everyone

benefits from the example. At the grammarians' discretion, some

corrections may be handled privately when they think that most readers

already know the correct form (and therefore wouldn't want to bothered

with a correction message).

* A word about manners
Sadly, many people today don't understand the value of civil behaviour

and its ability to create a pleasant social experience. I don't expect

rudeness to be a problem on the tlhIngan-Hol list, but I won't allow

it to become one, either.
This is a Klingon mailing list: disagreements, conflict, and spirited

exchanges are expected and encouraged. However, rude behaviour towards

fellow readers or repeated comments in poor taste will not be

tolerated, nor will repeated failure to abide by the guidelines of the

list. Repeat offenders will be removed. The list administrator will be

the sole judge of acceptable vs. unacceptable behaviour. The purpose

of these rules is not to limit discussions to "politically correct"

topics (emphatically not!), only to weed out the most offensive

messages and keep a pleasant, if spirited, atmosphere.

* What should postings look like?
Most postings on this list should be fairly short. In particular,

messages in excess of two or three dozen lines should have an obvious

and compelling reason for their length. When you quote someone else in

a reply, make sure that you've attributed the quote properly and that

you've trimmed the quote down to the relevant details. If your reply

contains more lines of quotations than of new text, you should

seriously consider whether you can make do with fewer lines of

There are basically two kinds of postings that will appear on this

        - Messages about anything, written in Klingon

        - Messages about Klingon, written in English
Topics in the first kind of message are essentially unbounded, as

explained above. Talk about the weather, sports, history, medicine,

whatever, as long as you do it in Klingon. The second kind of message

should be used when you want to start a "meta-discussion" like: "How

do I convey the notion that I was doing something continuously for a

while, but now I'm done?" It's best that these discussions are done in

English so that everyone can follow them easily.
Be kind to other readers and indicate which type of message you've

written by writing the subject line either in Klingon for the first

type or English for the second.
Messages that don't fit into the above categories are not welcome on

tlhIngan-Hol, and in the worst cases, may result in your immediate removal.

This includes such things as virus warnings ("Good Times", and the like),

political messages (The Communications Decency Act, etc), or anything

else that is COMPLETELY unrelated to tlhIngan-Hol.

* Other Tidbits
Here are a few other guidelines that will make life easier for

        1. When writing in Klingon, don't transliterate English

        proper nouns into Klingon phonemes. As attractive as it

        may sound, it will make it hard for other readers (especially

        beginners) to follow your text. If you have to use an English

        word, just drop it in. The spelling rules are different enough

        that it will be more than evident what language it came from.
        2. In general, don't use Clipped Klingon; Use only "High"

        Klingon in your postings.
        3. For your first message, introduce yourself to the list

        (in Klingon if you can). Include information about any

        "handles" you might be using so that people will know

        how to address you.
        4. Have Fun.

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